boehner knows that. and so they're puddling around the edges right now, i think to professor's point. >> i want to talk about tax reform and pick up a point you mentioned yesterday. as far as if we go from the 35 to the 39, we don't get there. we need capital gains and dividends. i want to talk about real-life experience. i sold my business 2000, 28% capital gains. great capital there for me. i have not done one thing differently in the last 11 years had it been 13% or 15%. this concept that if we raise capital gains, we are going to somehow destroy the economy, trickle down is not going to work, is false. is absolutely unequivocally false. and until forget even entitlements, on the revenue side we don't move to capital gains and dividends, we're not going to make a dent in this thing. >> which is what warren buffett said, it's not going to stop people from investing. the republican fear is that we agree to revenue hikes, but we don't actually ever get these spending cuts, the spending cuts are pushed do